[new_earth]

^ but those on the street dont wear it specifically for sum particular non mahram, but rather to look good

yes sis yas, it IS zeph DUDETTE(i love this word!)

i'd suggest that put on light make up when the bloke comes to see u

[unknown]

no make up is best, think about it.

new_earth, on Jun 30 2007, 05:31 PM, said:

^ but those on the street dont wear it specifically for sum particular non mahram, but rather to look good

true, but its still displayed to non mehrams.

[*F*]

Just wear a lil bit of kohl gosh....

[unknown]

^ ?

[new_earth]

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Just wear a lil bit of kohl gosh....

Is Kohl the same as Kajol? Thats what Bengalis call it I think.. kajol...?

[Kat]

When a Muslim man visits a sister for marriage and sees her for the first time , we all know that he can see her hair and she doesn't need to wear a hijab, but what other parts of her body can he see ?

[unknown]

i hear thats wrong bro^^. in a recent topic people said you cannot uncover your hair infront of non mehrams.

This post has been edited by unknown: 30 June 2007 - 06:38 PM

[new_earth]

but if he is thinking of marrying her, he shud be able to^^^ i feel anyway...bcoz he isnt some random mahram, but a possible husband prospect

can sum1 post sum authority for my statement?

if a brother goes to see a gurl but keeps his face/hair covered, wudnt the sisters wanna c him/wat he looks like?

[unknown]

yeh i said that aswell, but they still said 'no'. one of the reasons being that 'if' they didnt marry, he would of seen her without hijab.

[Mujahadah an Nafs]

Assalaamu Alaykum,

Yasmin, on Jun 30 2007, 04:42 PM, said:

not saying i agree with women cakeing on the make up, but whats your evidence sis for saying wearing make up in front of non mehrams is haram?

unknown, on Jun 30 2007, 04:52 PM, said:

true^ cos if she is saying it is haram for women to wear make up infront of non mehrams, then those who do wear it(as you see along the street etc)are committing sin.

Is It Haram For Women To Wear Make-up And Kohl?
Answered by Ustadha Zaynab Ansari

Q. Is it haram for women to wear make-up and kohl?

A.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Praise be to Allah. May the peace and blessings of Allah shower upon our Beloved Messenger, his family, companions, and those who follow them.


Dear Sister,

Wearing kohl is one of the sunnas of the Prophet, peace be upon him. It is allowed for both males and females. Unless you will bring undue attention to yourself, it is permissible for you to wear kohl.

Makeup is different. In Surat al-Nur, Allah says, "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss". (Qur'an 24:31).

Scholars have interpreted the directive to not display beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appears in terms of ordinary adornment and extra adornment. Ordinary adornments like kohl, henna, or a ring are permissible to wear in public. Extra adornment, like perfume, lipstick, dazzling eye colors, and the like are not permissible to wear in public. In short, any type of adornment which makes a woman look "made-up" and attracts amorous attention is not permissible, as this would defeat the whole purpose of hijab.

And Allah knows best.

Umm Salah




Modesty: Kohl, Jilbabs, and Allah

Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani, SunniPath Academy Teacher

Q.Is it permissible for women to apply kohl/antimony to the eyes, as it is from the Sunnah and is beneficial, even when they go out in public quite often?

A.

Walaikum assalam,

If they can do this in a way that would not create undue attention, and not lead to people (whether Muslim or non-Muslim) looking unduly at them, it would be permitted. It is better to avoid in public, though, especially for young women, because of the mentioned considerations.

Would it be wrong for a sister who has been wearing Jilbabs/Abayas for some time now, to go back to wearing other types of clothing, such as Pakistani clothes or skirts and tops, provided they are loose and covering?

It is permitted to do so, but jilbabs are generally considered superior, as they are looser and more modest than most other types of clothing.

Above all, however, one must develop modesty in one's heart, which inevitably manifests itself in one's outward actions. This applies to all believers, male and female.

And the ultimate modesty is modesty towards Allah Most High, such that one feels shame if one even considers doing anything Allah dislikes.

This is why the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace be upon him, his family, and companions) said, "Allah is more worthy of one's modesty." [Abu Dawud and others]

Walaikum assalam,

Faraz Rabbani.


Fi Amanillah

[Mujahadah an Nafs]

Kat, on Jun 30 2007, 06:52 PM, said:

When a Muslim man visits a sister for marriage and sees her for the first time , we all know that he can see her hair and she doesn't need to wear a hijab, but what other parts of her body can he see ?

Assalaamu Alaykum,



Looking at a Suitor and Showing Hair



I have heard from my Hanafi teachers that it is impermissible for a woman to show her hair to a suitor, that those who say it is permissible are using a very weak opinion. My husband, however, says that the mashaikh only say this to the 'aam people who may misuse the ruling (to see the hair of every girl that they are not even serious about). His family is mashaAllah very pious, and his brother is becoming a mufti under the tutelage of Mufti Taqi Uthmani. His brother actually told my cousin that it would be permissible to request to see a girl's hair. Also, another one of my husband's brothers saw the hair of his future wife beforehand (when he was reasonably convinced he would be marrying her), and my husband's sister showed her hair (only once) to her future husband (though normally she is in niqab). (Note: they did not do these things with any one else they were considering; only the people they *actually* eventually married). I am very confused. Do people like our respected Mufti Taqi Uthmani allow for this? Perhaps Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam or someone else familiar with him could reply?


Question # q-12485891
Date Posted: 27/06/2004



In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

Looking at someone one intends to marry is not merely something that is permissible, rather it has been encouraged by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace).

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates: I was in the company of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) when a man came and informed him that he had contracted to marry a woman of the Ansar. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to him: “Did you cast a glance at her? He said: No. He said: “Go and look at her, for there is something in the eyes of the Ansar”. (Sahih Muslim, no. 1423)

Sayyiduna Mughira ibn Shu’bah (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that he proposed to a woman for marriage. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to him: “Look at her, for it may produce love between you.” (Sunan Tirmidhi, no. 1087, Musnad Ahmad, Sunan Nasa’i & Sunan Ibn Majah)

Sayyiduna Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “When one of you proposes to a woman for marriage, then if he is able to look at what will induce him to marry her, he should do so.” (Sunan Abu Dawud and Musnad Ahmad)

The great Hadith and Shafi’i Fiqh scholar, Imam al-Nawawi (Allah have mercy on him) states:

“…In the Hadith (of Abu Hurayra mentioned first) there is recommendation of looking at the face of the woman one is intending to marry. This is the opinion of our (Shafi’i) School, the School of Malik, Abu Hanifa, all the scholars of Kufa, Ahmad and the majority of the Ulama. Qadhi (Iyadh) has narrated from a group (of scholars) that it is disliked but that is incorrect and contrary to the clear text of this Hadith, and contrary to the consensus (ijma’) of the Ummah…Then, it is permitted for him to look at her palms and face only, for they are not considered to be part of the nakedness (awra), and also because by looking at the face, one is able to determine her beauty or otherwise and by looking at her hands one is able to determine the chubbiness of the body or otherwise. This is the opinion of our School and the view of most others.” (al-Minhaj Sharh Sahih Muslim, p. 1068)

Mulla Ali al-Qari, the great Muhaddith and Hanafi Imam, states in his renowned Mirqat al-Mafatih, quoting from Allama Teebi that the meaning of the Messenger of Allah’s (Allah bless him & give him peace) statement “if he is able to look at what will induce him to marry her, he should do so” (in the Hadith of Jabir recorded by Imam Abu Dawud, quoted earlier) is either wealth, status, beauty and religion (deen).” (Mirqat al-Mafatih, 6/198)

Thus the above explanation by Mulla Ali al-Qari quite clearly refutes the interpretation some people make with regards to the Hadith of Jabir, in that one may look at whatever may induce one into marrying. If such general permission is given, people will demand to see all sorts of body parts.

Thus, the above is quite clear in determining that, it is only permitted for one to see the hands and face of the woman one is intending to marry. This permission is also subject to certain conditions.

Imam al-Haskafi (Allah have mercy on him) states:

“It is recommended ……to look at the woman before marriage.”

Allama Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) explains the above by stating:

“Meaning, even if there is desire (shahwa) but this is when one genuinely believes it is possible to get married to her.” (Radd al-Muhtar, 3/8, Kitab al-Nikah)

Imam al-Haskafi (Allah have mercy on him) states in another place:

“If one fears desire (shahwa) or has a doubt (m: in attaining desire), then one will be prevented from looking at the face of a non-Mahram woman. Thus, the permissibility of looking is restricted to not having desire otherwise it will be unlawful (haram). This ruling was in their times, in our times however, one will be prevented from looking at a young woman (m: regardless of whether one fears desire or otherwise). The exception for looking and not touching is when there is a need, such as for the judge, witness in the court…and for the one who is intends to marry, even with desire but only if one’s intention is to implement the Sunnah (m: and fulfil one’s objective of marriage) not to fulfil one’s desires (m: by looking without really wanting to marry).”

Allama Ibn Abidin, the commentator of al-Haskafi’s Durr al-Mukhtar, mentions the following points in his commentary of the above text:

1) There is nothing wrong in looking at someone one is intending to marry even with desire (shahwa) due to the Hadith of Mughira ibn Shu’ba (Allah be pleased with him) where the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Look at her, for it may produce love between you” and because the aim is to fulfil the Sunnah of marriage and not desire.

2) It is not permitted to touch the face and hands of the woman even when one does not fear desire, for there is no real need for that.

3) The need is only in looking at the woman once, thus more than once would not be allowed, for cases of need are restricted to the actual need. (m: However, if one was uncertain and undecided by looking at her once due to some reason, such as not looking at her properly, etc, then one may look again. This, however, should not be merely having another go at the whip; rather one should genuinely think that marriage is highly likely)

4) Permissibility of looking is only to the hands and face.

5) If it is not possible to look at the woman or one wants descriptions of parts of the body that are other than the hands and the face, then one may send a female relative (such as a mother or sister) to look at her and then describe her to him.

6) A woman may also look at the man whom she intends to marry even if there is a fear of desire, rather this is more important. The reason being is that the husband will be able to divorce her whenever he wants if he dislikes her, but the wife cannot do that. Thus, it is very important that she looks and is content with him. (See: Radd al-Muhtar ala al-Durr al-Mukhtar, ‘Bab al-Mass wa’l Nadhar fi Kitab al-Hadhr wa’l Ibaha, 6/370)

Thus, to sum up, it is not only permitted but recommended to look at someone one is intending to marry. This, however, is only when one is seriously contemplating marriage with her, and that marriage is possible and likely. This permission is even in the case where one (the man or the woman) fears desire (shahwa), if the right intention is there. Merely fulfilling the desire to look will be unlawful.

It will not be permitted for the man and woman to remain alone in seclusion (khalwa), for there is no need for that. Being alone with a non-Mahram is unlawful (haram) or at the least prohibitively disliked (makruh tahriman) and must be avoided.

Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “A man must not remain alone in the company of a woman, and a woman must not travel except that her Mahram is accompanying her.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2488)

The meaning of being alone (khalwa) is when a man and a woman who are not immediate family members (mahram) remain alone in a room or place in a way that a third person is not easily able to enter upon them, or it is not usually accessible to others. This also (according to the scholars) includes a room/area, the door of which is closed, even if it may not be locked. Yes, if the door remains open, then that would not, in of itself, be considered Khalwa.

If one decides to marry someone, it is for the man permitted to look at the woman’s face and hands only. This is the opinion of the majority of the scholars (jumhur), including the Hanafis, as mentioned earlier. Some individual scholars (such as Imam al-Awza’i, Ibn Hazam and Dawud Zahiri) did permit looking at other than the hands and face but this is not the mainstream opinion.

As far as the opinion of Mufti Taqi Usmani (Allah preserve him) is concerned, I have not heard anything directly from him, but it is clearly mentioned in his Dars Tirmidhi (3/351) that one is only permitted to look at the hands and face.

And Allah knows best

Muhammad ibn Adam
Darul Iftaa
Leicester , UK

Fi Amanillah

[Yasmin]

jzk sis

To my knowledge a man can look at more than just her hair, he can see as much as he needs to to be able to make his decision - but iA ill get the evidence, i think theres a hadith where a man sees his potential spouse uncovered by hiding in a tree not that im encouraging bros to do that!! khair, dont take my word for it until i get the evidence thought

[Abu Ibraheem]

Yasmin, on Jun 30 2007, 09:32 PM, said:

jzk sis

To my knowledge a man can look at more than just her hair, he can see as much as he needs to to be able to make his decision - but iA ill get the evidence, i think theres a hadith where a man sees his potential spouse uncovered by hiding in a tree not that im encouraging bros to do that!! khair, dont take my word for it until i get the evidence thought

Jabir said that the Messenger of Allah(saw) said: "If a man proposes to a woman and he is able to look at whatever would encourage him to marry her, let him do so". He (Jabir) said, "I proposed to a woman whom I used to look at from a hideout, I did this until I saw what invited me to marry her, then I married her."

However this doesnt legitimise seclusion (Khalwah).

[SirZubair]

Ahhhhhhhhhh i am so happy. I finally got to see my Fiance yesterday, after being apart for nearly 6 months.

Woohoo, nikkah in 2 weeks.